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Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 09:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2006 09:31:54 ECM needs to be for EW ships only. If ccp feels that some normal ships needs ecm to have a fighting chance, they have not reached balance in my opinion. I would like to compare this with the stunning effect in other games like WoW actually. Did you happen to see anyone stunned for 30 seconds in WoW, and then stunned again after 10 more seconds for another 30? And all it takes to do this is basicly one multispectral. You dont gimp your ship in any significant way either, since all it takes is one slot. You throw it on there and usually it works a few times in a fight. Its overpowered as hell and ccp should feel ashamed for not hotfixing this fast. I dont know why they dont see this as a major problem with the game. I think it is. Edit: Tuxford has said they are looking into it, but not when. Its probably not being fixed for Kali One... I dont even think Kali One will be on time with its current features. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 09:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Sir Juri I believe electronic warfare including ecm should not be limited only to specific ships. I think that would be unfair and boring tbh. Guns/tank/ecm/nos and everything else, gives more depth and tactics in the game. Game would be boring if you pick up caracal for instance and said, okey lets fit missiles and a tank... hmm thats all folks! But they need to change it from that stupid "lottery" system. Make it with something that has stats more tangeable like guns/tank/nos/trackin disruptor etc. Dampeners need to be changed some to. And fitting one ECM should be like fitting one gun, not more. Nobody is suggesting removing nos, tracking disruptors, target painters, dampeners or any other form of electronic warfare from normal ships. The game would still have loads of tactical options open. Its very frustrating. Also you can have lots of "fun" in a frigate gang where you use multispectrals and dampeners in combination. Even if a cycle fails, the dampeners will make sure the other ship doesnt regain the lock until its way too late. Ravens with a full rack of ecm modules and wcs in the lows... dominix with nos and ecm... its not even funny anymore. People dont use the ships in the way they were originally designed because ecm is so powerful its always better than tanking. You think its boring to not have ecm on normal ships? Well, its pretty boring to bring a battleship into a fight and dont get to fire a single gun too, before dying. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 10:15:00 - [3] Fine. Lets just make ecm modules have about 10% chance to jam when used against a battleship on a normal ship. But when used on EW ships, ship bonuses makes this 50% instead. That would be fine with me. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 10:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: Larsson7 If we look at covert cloaking or strip miners as an example of how ECM should possibly work, this is a possible alternative. Make ECM something silly like 1000 PG each with a 99% reduction for ECM specialised ships (Scorp, Rook, Falcon, Blackbird) no no no no no no no (and no) That kind of scenario would lead to all new players selecting caldari as they would then be without a shadow of doubt be the 1 win button (eve on easy mode already) (as for your first point, covert cloaks fit on two ships of all races and strip miners were a new training tree for all races) No they wouldnt. The caldari EW ships were designed to have low firepower while being good at jamming. Thats why they are good in groups and not solo pwnmobiles. You get the solo pwnmobiles when you can use multispectrals on dominix and raven. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 10:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Radioactive Babe My point is that the Caldari race would be overpowered, you would be insane to go against a mostly caldari fleet in any other races ships (when the new tier3 BS's come out Caldari will be overpowered as it is - wont show immediately as most caldari pilots have poorish hybrid gun skills) Caldari are designed to be the high tech race and have the only EW battleship in the game. Its very easy for anyone to train for a scorpion no matter what race you ship fly. Takes 1 week maybe? So your idea of racial fleets are pretty foreign in this game. Its never caldari vs gallente fleets etc. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 11:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Avon Why go to all that effort? Calculate the chance of a multispec jamming a raven which is using 1 midslot ECCM (racial). Deciding that ECM is overpowered because people don't want to use the counters provided is pointless, imho. Using 1 Hypnos multispectral from ship with no ecm bonuses: 4.8 base + 25% from maxed signal dispersion = 6.0 strength. Raven has 22 strength. Chance to jam Raven without eccm = 6/22 = 27.2%. Chance to jam Raven with 1 racial medium slot eccm = 27.2/2 = 13.6%. Every 20 seconds you get a new chance. So in 1 minute, you get 3 tries. Im not exacly sure how to calculate the chance to get a jam in 3 tries. Is it like this? Chance to NOT jam = 100 - 27.2 = 72.8 = 0.728 0.728 * 0.728 * 0.728 = 0.385 = 38.5% chance to NOT jam with 3 tries = 61.5% to JAM in 3 tries? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 11:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor Im not exacly sure how to calculate the chance to get a jam in 3 tries. Is it like this? 43.25% Jenny, I really hate your tendencies to just jump into threads with "conclusions" and not explaining how you reach them. How did you calculate that? I want to learn it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.14 16:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2006 16:05:16 Originally by: Taikus so then theres no real answer for why ss was taken so long after he said he would take it. and really you cant prove that he didn't refit ship, and basically everything you said COULD be bs but people should take your word for it anyway. good argument Lol @ you trying to smacktalk in the forums... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

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